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Update on Geocentrism Debunked

by Steve Ray on October 21, 2014

For those following the debate about whether the earth actually is the center of the universe with everything spinning around the earth, check out this latest update posted by my friend Dave Palm. You can read the whole thing here http://www.geocentrismdebunked.org/the-cmb-and-geocentrism/

 Here are the introductory paragraphs:

The New Geocentrists have been claiming for some time that recent measurements of certain cosmological features “point straight at the Earth”, and that therefore the Earth must be in the centre of the Universe. More recently, they have been promoting their movie, The Principle, which they hype as “one of the most controversial films of our time”. The movie is ostensibly about a “fair, balanced and comprehensive treatment” of the Copernican Principle – the proposition that the Earth is not in a central or favoured position in the cosmos.

Of course, it is well known that the movie’s principals, Robert Sungenis and Rick DeLano, are strict geocentrists who believe, for religious reasons of their own, that the Earth is absolutely static and located at the exact centre of the Universe. Strict geocentrism has been superseded for centuries – and there are clear modern refutations of the idea. Strict geocentrism is also a far more extreme position than would necessarily follow if the Copernican Principle were to be violated. It is clear that The Principle movie is a Trojan Horse for strict geocentrism, even though DeLano in particular claims that the film contains no more than an examination of the Copernican Principle.

Chief amongst the recent cosmological measurements that geocentrists highlight in support of their case are certain anomalies in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB), the afterglow of the Big Bang. This article describes the science of the CMB, reviews the anomalies, and discusses what implications they have for cosmology in general and for the claims of the geocentrists in particular.

We’ll also briefly review some other theories and observations that have the potential to challenge the Copernican Principle, and consider what implications they might have. In this article, I hope to provide a resource for thoughtful people who are unsure about the strength of the claims that the geocentrists make about modern cosmology, to help them to a better understanding of the science and what it actually implies.

The geocentrists approach to the issue is deeply unscientific, in the sense that they are committed a priori to the idea that the Earth is static in the exact centre of the Universe, and they excavate and use any piece of evidence that appears to support their case – even if it is fundamentally incompatible with some other argument that they have made elsewhere.

Their belief is unshakeable in the face of any and all evidence to the contrary. What’s more, by misunderstanding or misrepresentation they often mangle the science, and they make far stronger claims than the evidence warrants, as we shall see.

For the rest of the article and illustrations, visit HERE.

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Not only Irish storytelling at its best, but also Batt Burns at his best. After dinner tonight we all went up to a private room and Pat Burns entertained us for an hour.

He had us with tears in her eyes both from laughter and from sadness which is what a good storyteller can do.

I hope you enjoy this two-part story of “My First Confession”. I had to do it in two parts due to the limitations of YouTube.

Part 1:

Part 2

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UPDATE 7/20/14, 9:15 PM Eastern: There must be a network of Geocentrists who quickly call each other to defend their position. As soon as I posted this blog about the geocentric system I got a bunch of comments within that matter of a few hours which demonstrated to me that someone sent out the message to visit my site and respond. Interesting :-)

Well I just approved all of them so that people can see that this is really a real phenomenon. Dave Palm will be commenting a bit but I won’t’ let it to oto long.

ORIGINAL POST:
My good friend and fellow convert David Palm is an expert on Geocentrism, the idea that the earth is the stationary center of the universe. He has thoroughly exposed this ridiculous position below. Here is for the education of those who may be enticed by the fringe ideas presented by fringe people. 

“In the coming months, you may be hearing more about geocentrism, the view that the earth is the motionless center of the universe, especially in connection with an upcoming movie call The Principle (See “The Principle is About Geocentrism?  Don’t Be Silly!

Unfortunately, this fringe scientific view is also being touted by these proponents as the official teaching of the Catholic Church. The mainstream media and blogsphere have been having a field day with this, often seeking to make the Catholic Church look ridiculous. And some good folks, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, have been confused and troubled by these geocentrists both as to the actual teaching of the Catholic Church and the science involved.

 ”You can view new updates to Geocentrism Debunked (www.geocentrismdebunked.org), a web site that provides a great deal of information debunking this claim that the earth is the motionless center of the universe, particularly that this is the official teaching of the Catholic Church.  In the latest update, you’ll find a selection of newer articles covering the topic from various angles—science, theology, history, and more.

 Dave Palm says, “I hope you find this information helpful.  If you know anyone else who might benefit from it, please feel free to pass it along.”

The Magisterium Rules: The Debate is Over –  In 1820, Pope Pius VII decreed that there are “no obstacles” nor “any difficulties” for Catholics to hold that the earth moves.  Two years later, the Holy Office even decreed that there would be canonical punishments for any Roman censor who refused to allow publication of books supporting the motion of the earth. With good reason, then, Pope St. John Paul II stated in 1992 that the debate concerning whether Catholics may hold to modern cosmological views which include the motion of the earth “was closed in 1820?.

There He Goes Again –  In a follow-up to his scientific critique of the new geocentrism, Here Comes the Sun, physicist Alec MacAndrew spotlights still more of Robert Sungenis’s scientific misunderstandings and errors.  Sungenis continues to argue that geocentrism works under classical mechanics, but MacAndrew demonstrates that Sungenis’s claims of gravitational balance and his “center of mass” arguments fail.  MacAndrew also notes that Sungenis failed to address the glaring Great Inconsistency at the heart of the modern geocentrist polemic, namely, that they reject General Relativity while simultaneously using it to promote geocentrism. 

The Fathers Don’t Support an Immobile Earth –  Fr. Melchior Inchofer, S. J. was one of the theological assessors who examined the Galileo case prior to his trial. Regarding the motion of the earth, which geocentrist Robert Sungenis insists is the crucial point in the debate, Fr. Inchofer said of the Church Fathers that, “I have not found a single one of the Holy Fathers who has dealt with the motion of the earth clearly and positively, as the saying goes.”

The Four Elements and the Four Humours: Will You Go the Distance? –  The Catholic Church teaches that a consensus of the Church Fathers only binds on matters of “faith and morals”—the Magisterium has clearly shown in both word and practice that matters of natural philosophy (i.e. science) are not included.  But the new geocentrists insist that a consensus of the Fathers on any topic whatsoever automatically becomes a matter of faith.  This error puts them squarely on a collision course with the Magisterium.

It’s Elementary My Dear Geocentrist –  The Fathers and Doctors of the Church are in agreement on the view that the entire physical universe is made of four and only four elements—earth, water, fire, and air.  They held this as a matter of natural philosophy, as the best science of their day.  But according to their own standards, the new geocentrists should therefore insist that all Catholics hold that view too, as a matter of faith.  Similarly, as they do with geocentrism, they should also be insisting that the Magisterium of the Church has been completely derelict in its duty to uphold the “True Faith” on this issue.  Those who have been influenced by their appeal to the Fathers of the Church might want to look a bit more closely at exactly where this train is headed.

The Geocentrists Have No Sense of Humour –  The Fathers and Doctors of the Church are in agreement, as a matter of natural philosophy, that the physical and emotional health of the human body is determined by the balance of the four humours: blood, phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile.  Why have the geocentrists not produced a documentary and books decrying all modern medical advances and insisting that Catholics must hold to humourism as a matter of faith?  Will the new geocentrists be consistent and denounce the Magisterium as derelict in its duty to teach the “True Faith”, the four elements and the four humours?

 That’s the Whole Ballgame Right There! –  Podcaster and Michael Voris associate Christine Niles follows in Voris’s footsteps by conducting an infomercial/interview with Rick DeLano about the upcoming movie, The Principle.  Depending upon whom he’s talking to at the moment, DeLano can be coy about the ultimate intent behind the movie.  But in this interview Niles and DeLano make it very plain that geocentrism is first and foremost a matter of faith, not a matter of science.  Listen as Niles herself inadvertently gets caught up in the theological confusion.

Piling On, or Holding Back? –  Robert Sungenis has recently complained that documentation of six examples of his conspiracy theories on the Geocentrism Debunked Backgrounds page proves that, “Making a fool out of Bob Sungenis is paramount,” and that “[David Palm] must leave no stone unturned.”  Read on to see the proof that Sungenis has it exactly wrong – a great deal of other goofy and paranoid material was originally withheld, precisely to avoid the appearance of piling on.

 Who Are You Going to Believe? A Matter of Credibility –  If you’re going to present yourself as both trustworthy and qualified to accuse and castigate virtually the entire scientific community and the Magisterium of the Church, as Robert Sungenis has, then credibility matters. Read on to see a few recent examples demonstrating that Sungenis can’t even be trusted to get the simplest and most easily verified information correct, let alone the kind of complex information necessary to turn both the Church and the entire scientific community on their heads. 

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